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General Category => Icarus => Topic started by: MarcH on November 20, 2025, 07:09:10 PM

Title: [solved]Accidently sending Midi program changes
Post by: MarcH on November 20, 2025, 07:09:10 PM
Does anyone else use Waveform Pro as a DAW on Windows 11? I noticed today that Icraus 3 is no longer working properly in WF. When the GUI is open the Windows "spinning circle" showing activity keeps going and it will make no sound. When the GUI is closed it will make sounds.

It seems to have to do with the GUI as if it's not fully loaded or is scanning for wavetables etc.

I've tried both the VST 2 and 3 versions. Icarus always worked fine in WF before and I don't think either it or Icarus were updated recently although there was a recent Win 11 update. Icarus does still work properly in FL Studio.

I wanted to ask here if anyone else has the same issue before opening a support ticket.   
Title: Re: Icarus 3 and Waveform Pro 13.5
Post by: Markus Krause on November 21, 2025, 09:18:41 AM
Hello MarcH,

there are no such issues known from other users. I assume that it is a system specific problem. Maybe something went wrong on your computer.

I recommend restarting your computer. If this does not help reinstall Icarus.
If the problem still presists we recommend to contact the developer of the DAW. You can also send us an email to bugs[ a t]tone2[do t]com

Further info can be found here:

https://www.tone2.com/report-a-bug.html
Title: Re: Icarus 3 and Waveform Pro 13.5
Post by: MarcH on November 21, 2025, 08:08:59 PM
Thanks Markus, I'll send you a video of the issue in action. The thing is only Icarus has this issue, none of the other synths I own have exhibited this behavior so far.

It seems to have something to do with the Waveform Loop button. When it's off Icarus will perform without issue but when I turn the Loop button on, even if the transport is stopped, Icarus will change patches and I have started with a clean factory template that should have no program changes in it. You'll be able to see it in the video. Notice how the cursor acts when the loop is on. It's one of the weirdest issues I've encountered in 25 years of using plugins and DAWs. 

I'll try contacting Tracktion support but they have a history of not responding. I'll also try reinstalling Icarus.   

     
Title: Re: Icarus 3 and Waveform Pro 13.5
Post by: Markus Krause on November 22, 2025, 08:06:18 AM
Maybe there is something wrong in your track and you're acciddently sending Midi program change messages to the plugin.
Most other plugins to not support Midi program changes so you might not experience it here.
Starting a new track in your DAW will solve this.

If you need further assistance please refer to support[ at]tone2[do t]com. We will take care of you.
Title: Re: Icarus 3 and Waveform Pro 13.5
Post by: MarcH on November 22, 2025, 03:05:19 PM
Thanks Markus, I discovered that Waveform was sending a program change message from my MIDI input, not in the actual track itself. I was recently working with my hardware synths for the first time in awhile and must have inadvertently set that program change message which explains why the problem did not exist before. So Icarus was the only synth responding to that incoming message. I set the input to send no program change message and the issue is now fixed. Thanks for the support! I'm demoing Nemesis now and will likely add it to my collection as well.  :)