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General Category => Saurus => Topic started by: Markus Krause on April 11, 2012, 01:38:07 PM
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An introduction to Saurus
http://youtu.be/-ci_dTnRqTw
Mark Mosher's Improv Tone2 Saurus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-scMPERoIlQ
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I love this video :) Saurus Power :)
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I love this video :) Saurus Power :)
Thanks - and thanks Tone2 for a brilliant live performance synth :)
Mark Mosher
www.MarkMosher.com
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I love this video :) Saurus Power :)
Thanks - and thanks Tone2 for a brilliant live performance synth :)
Mark Mosher
www.MarkMosher.com
Hi Mark,
great video and sounds!! Saurus is really nice indeed.
Ingo
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Hi, I think someone asked on KVR, but dont' remember seeing the answer.
Mark, how did you map the Saurus controllers to to your novation?
Is there a midi learn I haven't noticed?
rsp
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Hi, I think someone asked on KVR, but dont' remember seeing the answer.
Mark, how did you map the Saurus controllers to to your novation?
Is there a midi learn I haven't noticed?
rsp
That would be automap wouldn't it ?
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so it is unique to the Novation stuff? And if so why would he have to add something during the video.... I thought audio mapping did its thing once and you couldn't add....I have a novation nocturn but I never use it in Automap mode so I could be wrong
rsp
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Mark, how did you map the Saurus controllers to to your novation?
Is there a midi learn I haven't noticed?
I use Ableton Live 8 but not Automap. Simply insert Saurus into a blank MIDI Track. This creates a Saurus device. Click the "Configure" button in the device. This pops up the Saurus interface. At this point touch any knob on the interface and this creates a corresponding parameter in the Ableton Device. In Saurus you can map ANY knob. You can also map to CC's 16-19 in the Mod matrix as sources. Now MIDI map in Live any parameter int the device to any knob on ANY controller (not just Novation). You now also automate any parameter in the device with dummy clips.
Here is a video I put together a while back with another synth but the process is the same - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDpSQP-7JNQ.
Now that you've come this far, you can CTRL-G to create an instrument rack and map params to macros.
You could of course also use Automap.
Happy controllerism,
Mark
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thanks Mark.. I am sure there is a similar way in Cubendo.
rsp
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so it is unique to the Novation stuff? And if so why would he have to add something during the video.... I thought audio mapping did its thing once and you couldn't add....I have a novation nocturn but I never use it in Automap mode so I could be wrong
rsp
How can you use a nocturn out of automap mode ? It needs Automap to run. Doesn't send out MIDI messages unless Automap is running.
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it has two modes...... an automap and midi cc mode using automap midi client mode..
I use mine in midi cc mode automap midi client mode.
rsp
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Cant help but wonder which competitors synth has such a weird waveform!
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The Alpha Juno, the Farsifar and the MFB Nanozwerg can do some of the waveforms that Saurus can do. The imperfectness of the 'weird' waveforms is one of the secrets that make Saurus sound more alive, analog and natural than other VAs.
With our 'circuit modeling engine' we model single analog integrator circuits and capacitors to achive this. In the analog world there are several different approaches how you can create a sawtooth. We decided to model one of the most 'cheap' and 'dirty' sawtooth generators with heavy phase shift because it gave the most exciting results.
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The Alpha Juno, the Farsifar and the MFB Nanozwerg can do some of the waveforms that Saurus can do. The imperfectness of the 'weird' waveforms is one of the secrets that make Saurus sound more alive, analog and natural than other VAs.
With our 'circuit modeling engine' we model single analog integrator circuits and capacitors to achive this. In the analog world there are several different approaches how you can create a sawtooth. We decided to model one of the most 'cheap' and 'dirty' sawtooth generators with heavy phase shift because it gave the most exciting results.
If that was a reply to my post you mis-understood me. Sorry, I didn't make it very clear.
I was referring to the part where you show a competitors synth's waveform and it is quite far away from normal.
I think the saw sounds quite good and saw-like. The waveforms on Saurus, unlike some other synths, are a constant source of inspiration. Often when creating patches the more interesting stuff for me comes from filters, effects etc, but with Saurus the Oscillator section really gives you a lot of options straight away.
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The images show the Gibbs phenomenon. You can notice and measure it in all VA synthesizers which use wavetable techniques for waveform generation. You can reproduce it in two difrrenet ways:
1) When you play a very high-pitched sawtooth and zoom into the signal you will see a ripple around nyquist. If you got good ears you can hear 'missing high frequencies' and some notes.
2) When you play a very low-pitched sawtooth you will hear and see ringing on the highest harmonic which sounds like resonance.
It's very complicated math, but here is a detailed article about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_phenomenon
Saurus and real analogue synthesizers do not show this behaviour.
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The images show the Gibbs phenomenon. You can notice and measure it in all VA synthesizers which use wavetable techniques for waveform generation. You can reproduce it in two difrrenet ways:
1) When you play a very high-pitched sawtooth and zoom into the signal you will see a ripple around nyquist. If you got good ears you can hear 'missing high frequencies' and some notes.
2) When you play a very low-pitched sawtooth you will hear and see ringing on the highest harmonic which sounds like resonance.
It's very complicated math, but here is a detailed article about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_phenomenon
Saurus and real analogue synthesizers do not show this behaviour.
Interesting! Yes there are few soft synths that have good sounding waves. Saurus is pretty good here. I love the double saw in particular when the PW control is modulated. Very smooth.